Banned from Intermediate, the 20435th?

[hatty]

hi folks,
okay, i've been banned from intermediate because the admin meant i was too good fpr this server. fact was that i was the last in the list. But he banned me and not the 4 or five above me in the list. and he abused me by saying i am not only the last in the list. When i am playing at the open level server i am in the last third, at the intermediate in the first third but rare the best. so what should i do? i am inbetween intermediate and open level and i don't think i am too good for intermediate. :roll:

[Scion]

not knowing you or who it was that banned you i would expect to find that the players above you were also too good for the intermediate server and were moved on aswell, we can only deal with one person at a time unfortunately, this is one server we regularly have problems with open players using and having said yourself that you are normally in the bottom third on open and top third on inter suggests that you indeed are an open player.

you may have been moved on because of some skills you showed which are considered to be in the forte` of open players not intermediate, which open servers are you playing and under what nick? i will keep an eye open for you and asess ure skills myself.

[hatty]

hi scion,
thank you for answering so soon. i am playing on the server with the address: 213.230.209.203:7788 and my nickname is Major_Tom.
by the way: are there more than one administrators on the intermediate server? and if it is so: isn't it unjustly that one person bann me therefore another person doesn't?
i don't want to moan but, sorry, i hate iniquity. :?

[Vendor]

Major_Tom aka Alter_Shwede

Surprised you were playing on the intermediate server, not surprised you were banned by the Server Mod.

Having played against you on some of the other servers, I can't really see why you think you are unable to play on any of our open servers.

In this kind of situation, the admin on the server will look at your SKILL level, and try to judge if anyone is gaining anything from you being there. A request to move on (and kicks/bans etc if you fail to comply) is not simply based on your SCORE at any one time.

Hope this explains the situation, and that you enjoy playing on our many open servers.

[Scion]

ahh yes tom i know you well lol, fyi i actually consider you to be an open player myself you are almost as skilled as me and have been asked before by various admins to move on, in fact you are known so well that it doesnt suprise me at all that you were the first to be asked to move on and susequently banned before the admin settled down to work on the other players.there at the time.

stick to the open servers you are good enough to play them and find it challenging.

[Dussander]

Yes, I've asked you to move up to open server as well. I am not the admin in question but I certainly agree with his/her decision.

[hatty]

*deepsigh*
if three of you thinking so i have to accept your opinion.
*anotherdeepsigh*
but thanks for your answering and i'll try my best.
see ya!

[Batty]

8O I can remember getting trounced by Major_Tom when I was on Intermediate - you're easily good enough for the open servers, come and try Crap n Ghey sometime, you'll have a laugh and find that there's a whole range of abilities on there most of the time. Look forward to seeing you, good luck, continue to have fun.

Take your protein pills and put your helmet on ...... :P

[LG]

I'm the one that banned you Major Tom .You were Banned because you have been warned at least 15x by myself to play open server .You have received multi warnings an kicks in the past an chose to ignore them. You are quite able to play the open skill servers . So in my opinion you brought this Ban on yourself for ignoring the warnings . Consider it a lesson in server etiquette .If you keep ignoring the requests of the server Admin you will at some time pay the price .

[hatty]

@batty
nice name, but the wrong first letter. :wink:
thx for the good wishing and i think i have to go my way like a man and not a mice (greetings to steinbeck). i hope i see you some nice day on the open server and sorry for trouncing you. :lol:
@LG
i think u take your job a little bit too serious. you warn me and let play some people who was obviously better than me further more. u ignore my argumnets and someone who ignore arguments is nobody i can take for serious, excuse me. u are too far away but maybe we can drink some beer in further times and discuss this. till this time calm down and try not to play god too many times. :wink:
@scion, vendor and dussander
i like to cu at the open server when i had learned my lessons. it is very hard sometimes and i think back to the careless times of my years at the intermediare server. :D
and in your steads i would look one more time over my shoulder. :wink: :wink: :wink:
CU!

[Flash]

Funny how many people think they're worse than they actually are. :)

If I were in your position I'd be flattered and be looking forward to improving my game through playing better people. Pitting your skill against lesser players will always reduce your own skill and increase their frustration leading to less fun for all.

In UT, if you're not dying, you're not learning.

[hatty]

@Flash
u r 100% right. but didn't u had the point too where u thought u couldn't be more better and u was inbetween very well and good? i am at this point but i realized i had to play at open level in future. but the way i was banned from LG wasn't right! that's my opinion. but nevertheless it happened and it's ok.
let's finish this and let us play at open level (although i'll be kick in my ass there). but i hope there'll be better times again and then i'll kick back! :wink: :wink:

[LG]

Major_Tom I'm sorry that you feel slighted by your ban .Then maybe you might like to comment ,on were we are supposed to draw the line on warnings .You have had many warnings in the past .You have been Banned from intermediate once before already .So just how many times do you think it should take to get the point across. Now you have been around long enough to know the server rules.I would have thought the first Ban back in Feb of 2004 would have given you a hint . Lets not forget about all the warnings you received before receiving either of these Bans.So I can't see were you figure it was unfair to you .I would sort of think it was you that was being unfair to yourself. Now playing players not at your own skill level is hardly being fair to your self, Or being fair to the rest of the players on the lesser skilled servers as far as that goes .Now granted there are many players on the intermediate server better then yourself .Have no fear they are being treated no different then you an are being dealt with . So I'm sorry you feel the way you do about this .I'm sure you will fit in quite well on the upper skilled servers. You will learn more an become a better player from playing players closer to your own skill level .

[hatty]

@LG
first: this time your posting sounds more friendlyto me than your last. and i think we should discuss further (if necessary) on this level. :)
second: i felt treated unfair because of being banned without anyone answered to my arguments. i didn't recognize that the other players who played really better than me was banned too. in the meantime i saw it sometimes and i am not feeling beeing treated unfair anymore. but your argument "Now playing players at your own level" i can not agree. sometimes there are such skilled player at open level that i ask myself if they are doing anything else but playing ut the whole long day. :(
but sometimes it is very nice to play there. so i have to acclimate there and not lament about my hard fate. :wink:
by the way: a server between intermediate and open level wouldn't be a bad idea. :D
last, but not leas @allt: finally i found here a forum where i could get rid my arguments and i want to thank all of you who had waste their time to answer me. :)
so maybe we see us at open level and "discuss" this furthermore. :wink:

[Batty]

sometimes there are such skilled player at open level that i ask myself if they are doing anything else but playing ut the whole long day. :(

.... and i want to thank all of you who had waste their time to answer me. :)

8O If you're referring to the Open CTF server then yes, there are some ridiculously skilled players on there! I agree some players must play UT all day every day. :?

As to anyone 'wasting their time' to answer you - it is never a waste if the answer is read. :wink: :P

[Headshot]

Imagine your a admin ...... your ready ?

Ignore the abuse, faul language, teaming, respawn/type/team killing and cheating and concentrate purely on skill level

You won't have any problems with open level server, the name says it all.

Intermediate server will be tricky for you for sure.
* Is this player really intermediate or having luck on his favourite map ?
* Are these 2 players good players open level and should be warned to go to open ? Or are they secretly intermediate and the other 3 advanced newbies and are playing out of there league.
* There are 3 advanced intermediates a open level and a intermediate player having fun should I might as well let them play as long as it stays like this
* Etc etc I can give you 10 more of these

Why am I telling you this ..... now that you imagined this let's say you have to watch at skill levels on the new "between intermediate and open level" server. This will be nearly inpossible to admin I can tell you.

I think the Admins will thank you for the idea, but will tell you basicly the same. This server was suggested many times before but I think it will be so time consuming to contain it's better to stick to the current situation.

Like you said, sometimes skill is higher then other times on the open level server. Just enter on a quiet eavening or take a look at the players names, it wont take long for you to get to know them and there skill level.

And I would defitnatly advice you to enter the big and strange or crap and ghey server one of these days. It basicly doesn't really matter on these servers if your advanced intermediate or a pro player who does it for a living. Just spam those deemers, rockets and strange loves and have lots of fun 8)

[Xepha]

a server between intermediate and open level wouldn't be a bad idea. :D
I used to think that, but headshot's finally now put my mind at rest why this wouldn't be feasible.

So how about a server beyond Open-Level? You can call it the: SuperDuperHyperMegaUltraHappyGodlikeIsThatABotPhje arMeUberGhey1337 Server...

:wink:

[Headshot]

So how about a server beyond Open-Level? You can call it the: SuperDuperHyperMegaUltraHappyGodlikeIsThatABotPhje arMeUberGhey1337 Server...

:wink:

What's the use of a server where I have to play alone :roll:

I can start a offline game as well then.

:wink:

[hatty]

@Headshot
puuuh, seems to be nearly a full time job being an admin at truff.net. i guess you guys (and girls) take your job for serious. but the suggestion from xepha is worth to think it over (although headshot seems to get one himself before you was answering :wink: ). there are great differences between the skills of the player at open level and a "hyper"-liga would be a nice place for the "overskilled".
by the way: if the admins at truff.net are the guards of the rules:"Quis custodit custodes?"
:?: :wink: :?: :wink:

[Vendor]

by the way: if the admins at truff.net are the guards of the rules:"Quis custodit custodes?"
:?: :wink: :?: :wink:

Well, we employed a very nice gentleman from a small American company to write us a report to help us root out naughty types, or "griefers" as he so quaintly called them. You can read his report here (http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/griefers.mspx) - :twisted:

Of course the simple answer is it costs a seriously large amount of money to run the servers, which Truff fronts personally. These costs are offset to an extent by members and supporters contributing money. If the running of the servers isn't satisfactory to the members and supporters, they stop contributing, and Truff has an intensely real problem. The whole team is acutely aware of this, and this together with (hopefully) our individual personal commitments to the ideas of fun, fair play keeps us honest.

[hatty]

"Well, we employed a very nice gentleman from a small American company to write us a report to help us root out naughty types, or "griefers" as he so quaintly called them. You can read his report here - Twisted Evil "
well, if this nice guy is one of your supporters then i have to run from truff.net very quick. :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
" The whole team is acutely aware of this, and this together with (hopefully) our individual personal commitments to the ideas of fun, fair play keeps us honest."
Honi soit qui mal y pense. :D :D :D

[hatty]

@admin(s)
i guess we can close this thread before it get such confused as with coldwhitelight. :wink:

[Vendor]

As this thread has run its course, and the issues resolved to everyone's satisfaction :thumbup:, I am happy to lock the thread.